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Why must I lose friendships for things that did not happen? And, because of who I am and how I am, _would_ not happen, even should the friend in question not have been similarly trustworthy? I miss the friendship. I would have been perfectly _happy_ had it continued as the friendship that it was. I had not seriously considered any other possibilities due to lack of availability, regardless of the fears/expectations of said friend's significant other. But apparently having a close friendship with me is threatening for my friends' significant others, sometimes. At least that's not always true, I guess...

Why is it that being who I am seems to be so damn good at magnifying problems in the relationships of those with whom I spend a sufficient amount of time, all too frequently resulting in jealousy and/or the loss of said friendships? Sometimes I hate being a catalyst.

I don't like losing friendships. I never have. I like it even less when the reason is not within the friendship itself. The dislike increases yet more when I run into former friends with relative frequency, due to mutual social activities that I refuse to stop attending. Worse yet when I had a sufficiently strong bond with the former friend that I felt a need to remove the bond.

*sigh* I wish I coped _faster_, dammit!

[edit: tried to make things a little more clear]

Date: 2004-07-28 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] australian-joe.livejournal.com
Otherwise there'd not have been anything there for me to be catalyzing and/or for anyone to be jealous of me because of.

I only saw a bit of this up close and personal-like, but it sure seemed to me that it wasn't in fact jealousy, but fear, rage and despair - fear of a future outside their control, rage in advance about the future, and despair because they already *knew* what they were afraid of was inevitable but were trying to convince the universe and themselves otherwise.

When you first told me about the situation, I thought the people involved were, say, 19 or 20, no relationship experience, totally sheltered. When I saw them in person I was aghast. (I'm being polite.)

You are not responsible for the unreasonableness of others. Both of them have created the situation they're in because that's what they want.

But knowing this doesn't really help the feeling of sadness and loss.</cite. Yeah. 8-< But even if they've made their own hell, you've made your own heaven.

Date: 2004-07-28 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
seemed to me that it wasn't in fact jealousy, but fear, rage and despair - fear of a future outside their control, rage in advance about the future, and despair because they already *knew* what they were afraid of was inevitable but were trying to convince the universe and themselves otherwise.

It is _entirely_ possible that it's changed from what it originally was, perhaps as a result of this whole mess, and that I have not interpreted the change (perhaps because I'm too close to it, and/or because I no longer have any conversational information to draw upon).

I know initially that it was jealousy, combined with fear. I don't think I know of many instances where there was large amounts of jealousy _not_ combined with fear. Rage & dispair make sense to have been added while they made at least some attempt to communicate about stuff that hadn't been being communicated about.

You are not responsible for the unreasonableness of others.

I know I'm not. And I'm not sure what this is intended to address.

If catalyzing/jealousy-causing - I _know_ it's not something I have control over or specifically _do_. But I also know that interacting with me _did_ cause changes in their relationship - ones that needed to happen, but changes nonetheless. I don't feel guilty about them or anything, but I do know that I am at least partly a cause. If nothing else, it's not _possible_ to interact deeply with other people without some amount of change.

even if they've made their own hell, you've made your own heaven.

*smiles* Yeah.

(now if only I knew what I wanted to do with my life. ;)

Date: 2004-07-28 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bridgetester.livejournal.com
If nothing else, it's not _possible_ to interact deeply with other people without some amount of change.

Thoroughly agreed. Non-affecting = shallow/minimal interaction

(now if only I knew what I wanted to do with my life. ;)

*offers you a lit candle*

Make a wish.

Date: 2004-07-29 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Thoroughly agreed. Non-affecting = shallow/minimal interaction

Indeed.

Make a wish.

?

That will help me figure out what I want to do, somehow? *curious/confused*

Date: 2004-07-29 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bridgetester.livejournal.com
Well, what do you wish to do? :)

Date: 2004-07-29 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
I don't know, excatly.

Thus the problem.

Current possibility, after I pay of school loans and save up enough to wander around and then _do_ so, is massage school, then try to figure out some way to combine my enjoyment of picking through people's brains with energy work and/or massage. Or something like that.

Date: 2004-07-29 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bridgetester.livejournal.com
That counts as a wish. :)

Date: 2004-08-13 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
This conversation amuses me, now, considering my whole counseling stuff more recently. :)

Date: 2004-08-03 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] australian-joe.livejournal.com
>You are not responsible for the unreasonableness of others.

I know I'm not. And I'm not sure what this is intended to address.


Oh, that was in response to it seeming that you were still questioning whether it was right that you were taking this path. You haven't "failed" in anything, was what I was trying to say.

Date: 2004-08-05 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Oh. No.

I know what I did was right. I just wish I hadn't had to do it.

Date: 2004-08-05 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] australian-joe.livejournal.com
Yeah. [close but not confining hug]

Date: 2004-07-28 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bridgetester.livejournal.com
fear, rage and despair - fear of a future outside their control, rage in advance about the future, and despair because they already *knew* what they were afraid of was inevitable but were trying to convince the universe and themselves otherwise.

Hmmm... determinism in the worst way.

When you first told me about the situation, I thought the people involved were, say, 19 or 20, no relationship experience, totally sheltered.

Older people can be Innocent too. And some of the Youngest can be the wisest of all. *notes*

Date: 2004-07-29 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Older people can be Innocent too. And some of the Youngest can be the wisest of all. *notes*

Yes. Indeed. But going by trends, the initial statement/belief made sense. :)

Date: 2004-07-29 03:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2004-08-03 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] australian-joe.livejournal.com
determinism in the worst way

Creating the outcome they profess to dread! Acting as though they have no control and it's all fated - yet *still* behaving badly in order to try to "cheat fate" or something.

Makes my head spin. I can't follow any line of reasoning where this seems like a good idea.

And when you see full adults snubbing people and walking past them just like kids in the primary school playground... I dunno. They have surely made their own hell.

Date: 2004-08-03 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bridgetester.livejournal.com
And that still brings up Sartre's quote in my head: "Hell is other people."

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