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Jul. 22nd, 2005 02:07 pm
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Now I want to know if people riding the subway in Boston are seeing giant, curvy women in their underpants on the walls of all the MBTA stations... If not, they _should_!

Date: 2005-07-22 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
A lovely notion, but as ever, I can't help but wonder why the celebration of curvy women must involve designating them the real sort, which to me implies that the other kind of women (the slender petite and not especially endowed ones) are fake, imaginary, or otherwise less than "real".

Date: 2005-07-22 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
I thought it was saying 'real' because they weren't starving themselves and were not actually models for a living, and not necessarily because they were curvy, myself.

However, yes - the trend you are noting is certainly one I've seen often enough.

Variety, people, variety!

Date: 2005-07-22 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
Phrases like "real women have real curves" rather make me tend to think that the curves is what determines the reaness. (Gee, can you tell this is a button of mine? :) )

Date: 2005-07-22 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Gee, can you tell this is a button of mine? :)

*grin* Yes! ;)

And I have no useful reply, because advertizing is, in it's core, about generalizations.

Date: 2005-07-22 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
Also, my interpretation of 'real' in this particular ad (from what I've seen online) is _happy_. Genuinely happy.

Date: 2005-07-22 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
Fine, but surly crotchety women like me are real too, dammit!

Date: 2005-07-22 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
My only reply to this is not a serious one. :P

(otherwise, seriously, though - yes, reality is far more wide than any specific ad or generalization can make use of. Thus, the problem)

Date: 2005-07-22 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
Not serious is certainly not a complaint. While the problem is certainly real, here I was reacting to it semi-facetiously, anyway.

Date: 2005-07-22 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motyl.livejournal.com
Huh, I always thought "real" just referred to "natural". As opposed to the scarily thin, well endowed women who generally have had surgery to help with the thinness and/or curves, and have been airbrushed to have perfect, skin and such.

Because while they do exist in the real world, there aren't many naturally ribby triple Ds, and I've certainly never seen a woman without pores =P


Date: 2005-07-22 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
Ok, that I'd buy. (The trouble is, I'm a naturally thin well endowed woman. Not a triple-D, but still - currently, I'm a 32D, which is hard enough. I know I'm in the minority - according to clothing manufacturers, I'm too statistically insignificant to bother making stuff for. I get to hear _a lot_ about how nobody is that thin naturally, and skinny people are too fragile and bony to cuddle, and my favorite, real women have meat on their bones. It gets old after a while.)

Date: 2005-07-22 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
You are neither too fragile nor too bony to cuddle.

And that is all I have to say. :)

Date: 2005-07-23 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
I certainly get no complaints from people who actually try. And I dare say in the case of the ones who stay away for that reason(and I know there are some of them), it's their loss altogether.

Also, thank you!

Date: 2005-07-25 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com
their loss altogether.

Agreed. :)

Date: 2005-07-22 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] motyl.livejournal.com
I feel your pain - I'm on the other side of the "can't find clothes that fit me" spectrum. Because goodness only knows that anyone who has a large frame must have large breasts...

And while I don't think I've been turned down for cuddling, it's still no fun to have people react with shock when they find out how much I weigh. And I still don't know what to make of being told I have "serious wristage" =P







Date: 2005-07-22 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com
*wave hello* from another 32D. Well, that's what I'm wearing, anyway; I probably should be a 30 or even 28 DD.

[In a girly-confidences voice attempting to hide an edge of desperation:] Sooooooooooo! Where do you shop??

Date: 2005-07-23 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
My life is made more difficult by the fact that I have a very strong preference for 100% cotton, no underwire. Which means that when I see something that works, I stock up.

I've got a stash of Victoria's secret ones that they don't make anymore. (I found them in one of those semi-annual sale bins, and picked up every one I could find).

Currently, I have high hopes for a particular Playtex (http://www.playtexnet.com/detail.asp?id=251&bId=13) one that they don't have in 32, but I think a 34 would work on me on the tightest setting (which I know isn't too helpful to you). A couple of my favorites came from TJ Maxx (Jockey, and they don't make'em like that anymore), which is always a hit-and-miss proposition.

On the other hand, right now I'm actually a bit skinnier than I should be. When I don't stress so much that I forget to have lunch for a few months, I'm a 34, which makes shopping a lot easier.

Date: 2005-07-23 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com
Thanks for the hints! Yes, I too have a stash of Victoria's secret ones that are now discontinued. Sadly this style can now be had only in the 34 and that's not going to work. Definitely next time I find something good I'm going to buy a bundle of 'em!

Date: 2005-07-22 09:21 pm (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
Yes, I rather lost my temper saying that elsewhere.

Date: 2005-07-23 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com
The only reason I didn't is because I don't know [livejournal.com profile] cadhla, and therefore felt obliged not to explode all over her journal, as much as I would have liked to. (I do happen to disagree with her assessment of the campaign in response to you. The words say "Real women have real curves", which to me does _not_ include the notion that "and lack of curves is cool, too" as much as apologists might claim so.)

Date: 2005-07-23 06:09 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
Ah. I know her--not tremendously well, but well enough that we recognize each other in filkrooms and chat outside of them--so I was slightly more comfortable blowing my top.

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