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wispfox ([personal profile] wispfox) wrote2004-08-16 11:06 pm

[quotes] _Contact_, Carl Sagan

'"Let's see if I've got this straight," he returned. It was a phrase of hers that he had adopted. "It's a lazy Saturday afternoon, and there's this couple lying naked in bed reading the Encyclopedia Britannica to each other, and arguing about whether the Andromeda Galaxy is more 'numinous' than the Resurrection. Do they know how to have a good time, or don't they?"'

"Human speech is like a cracked kettle on which we tap crude rhythms for bears to dance to, while we long to make music that will melt the stars." -Gustave Flaubert, Madame Bovary (1857)

'"Ever been in love?" The question was direct, matter-of-fact.
"Halfway, half a dozen times. But" - she glanced at the nearest telecope - "there was always so much noise, the signal was hard to find. And you?"
"Never," he replied flatly. There was a pause, and then he added with a faint smile, "But I have faith."'

I was right, I love this book. Even more than I love the movie (and I love the movie! It was the first movie I ever owned), I love this book.

And I'm amused that my first reaction to the picture at the end of the book was 'huh! He's cute!', followed by an attempt to figure out what sparked that reaction. He radiates joy. Radiating joy gets my attention quite strongly.

Joy and much adoration of this book. But now, I must sleep.

[identity profile] ms-violet.livejournal.com 2004-08-17 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Interesting that you said Carl Sagan radiates joy. I used to watch his TV show on PBS when I was pretty young, and I thought PBS put his sow on their network as a version of Mister Rogers for adults.
maybe they were both trying to deal with some of the same mysteries.

[identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com 2004-08-25 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Somehow, I really like the combination of those two, and am sad that I missed Carl Sagan's TV show.

[identity profile] regyt.livejournal.com 2004-08-17 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
That first quote is practically my idea of the ideal way to spend time. I have it up on my site for that reason.

[identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com 2004-08-25 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee! Yes. I like. :)
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[personal profile] beowabbit 2004-08-17 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
I really loved the book, too. And I totally get what you say about Sagan radiating joy. Did you see any episodes of Cosmos (his PBS miniseries)? Have you read any of his nonfiction? I went on a Sagan binge a few years ago. Here are a few of my favourite quotes:

‘With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy and with science.’ ——Carl Sagan

‘We imagine her [a female hamster examining male hamsters in harnesses in an experiment], steely-eyed, slowly looking the males over head to tail in their kinky leather outfits.’ ——Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan, Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors

‘The testicles of a sparrow are about a millimeter long and weigh about a milligram. (That’s one of the reasons you never hear that someone’s hung like a sparrow.)’ ——Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan, Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors

‘In many species, this [estrus and heat] doesn’t happen often and doesn’t last long; cows, for example, are interested in sex for about six hours every three weeks. Cows don’t date much.’ ——Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan, Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors

‘Some human cultures have sex in private and eat in public, some do it the other way around; some live with their aged relatives, some abandon them, and some eat them; some institute rigid rules that even toddlers must obey, and some let children do almost anything they want; some bury their dead, some burn their dead, and some set them out for the birds to eat; some use cowrie shells for money, some use metal, some paper, and some do without money altogether; some have no gods, some have one god, some have many gods.’ ——Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan, Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors

‘Females in estrus are especially attractive in the early morning, probably because of the long and stressful celibacy imposed on the males by the necessity of having to sleep at night.’ ——Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan, Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors [If I’m remembering correctly, this was about chimpanzees.]
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[personal profile] beowabbit 2004-08-17 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
Mildly amusing that five of the six quotes I picked out (from the 39 Sagan quotes I’ve recorded) are about sex. :-) I didn’t notice that until I read them over now.

[identity profile] mittelbar.livejournal.com 2004-08-17 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
I did! :-D

[identity profile] wispfox.livejournal.com 2004-08-25 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Did you see any episodes of Cosmos (his PBS miniseries)? Have you read any of his nonfiction?

No, and no. Suggestions?

Or was the above a suggestion in and of itself?
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[personal profile] beowabbit 2004-09-01 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry I didn't reply to this in a timely fashion. If I had to recommend only one Sagan book, it would be The Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark. Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors: A Search for Who We Are and The Dragons of Eden: Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence are also good. Basically, you can't go wrong reading Sagan.

Be warned, though, that Sagan does not believe in magic, and people who do might find parts of The Demon-Haunted World annoying. I suspect intelligent people who enjoy intellectual discussions won't, but not believing in magic myself I am not an expert in how people who believe in magic will react to Sagan. :-) (For purposes of this paragraph, you can also read "religion" for "magic".)
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[identity profile] opalmirror.livejournal.com 2004-08-17 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The first stuff I read of Sagan was his collaboration with I.S. Shklovskii in Intelligent Life in the Universe (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/189280302X/qid=1092786251/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-0793344-5092707?v=glance&s=books). This book was started by Shklovskii, and then Sagan added in various sections here, paragraphs and words there. They jointly reviewed it, but each writer's contribution remained in a distinct font. It was part of what helped me realize that scientific communities didn't need to bow to political pressures of the cold war, and were disinterested in the whole topic: there need be no 'us' and 'them'. The book's first third talked about The Universe. The second third talked about Life, in The Universe. The third talked about Intelligent life in the Universe. The structural organization, clear and intelligent writing, and excitement about the worth of studying and understanding what really happens in our universe really hooked me. I read it over and over and learned what other scientific disciplines I could in order to better understand the book.

I think I remember this correctly: in the book he wrote about the gold-plated plaque aboard Pioneer spacecraft and how they came to decide to place symbols on it. The line drawings of man and woman were amusing and he recounted the lengthy arguments they had on whether they were allowed to depict a woman's vulva... what insanity that anyone would refute it as obscene!

I followed Sagan's various contributions throughout planetary science programs here and there. When Cosmos came out I was also delighted, it felt like a bonus in addition to his writing -- and it touched many people that his writing wouldn't have communicated to. Although Sagan's style was much made fun of by my peers, I appreciated the integrity he brought to the matter and plainness with which he was able to share complex understandings of our universe and our part in it.

Sagan's contributions are a wonderful model for science approached as a human tool for joyful discovery and compassionate education. I never did get to meet him or see him talk in person, but I carry in my heart and in my actions the legacy he left to all of us.